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I get all of that and my right hon. Friend is right, but there is a peculiarity about HMRC, with its powers and lack of accountability.

I get all of that and my right hon. Friend is right, but there is a peculiarity about HMRC, with its powers and lack of accountability.

A simple point occurs to me: the real similarity between the Horizon programme and this situation is that those who were prosecuted under Ho

A simple point occurs to me: the real similarity between the Horizon programme and this situation is that those who were prosecuted under Ho

A simple point occurs to me: the real similarity between the Horizon programme and this situation is that those who were prosecuted under Ho

A simple point occurs to me: the real similarity between the Horizon programme and this situation is that those who were prosecuted under Ho

Absolutely, which brings me back to the point I was just making.

I will try not to repeat everything that has been said, but it is very difficult not to.

I agree.

I am conscious of time. If my right hon.